tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post7945225973864749568..comments2023-11-08T02:46:59.622-08:00Comments on Healthy Family, Happy Life: Crystal Cathedral Goes To The Diocese of OrangeSchullerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17492785568194446403noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-46658861307176046622011-12-26T10:14:21.013-08:002011-12-26T10:14:21.013-08:00I do think we need to not judge all or any Schulle...I do think we need to not judge all or any Schuller's. I do think RHS and RAS did wonders for many over the years. Sadly, and as a business person,I know the matters can be too large and others get control and get lost while lawyers and those seeking more control push themselves in and make profit at others expense. I feel badly for RAS and RHS but I think RAS has found a new life in positive TV and internet and helping Tree of Life of RVS (Bobby and Michael Community Church).<br /><br />My final thoughts I had yesterday are as follow<br />as I embrace all Christian Churches:<br /><br />This Christmas morning I awoke and "saw" HIS garden flourishing! So filled with different flowers, each not detracting from the others but rather complimenting and enriching the Glory of the garden. And HE quietly invited all in to wonder at how He had filled the garden with new tiny blossoming corners and larger blossoms that had been many years growing. HE showed us all around. We, marveling at the variety I said "All are following the sun and leaning into the Light"! HE said "I planted all but you and your brothers and sisters are the real gardeners. All my garden plantings have leaves and roots but water all please, that they may together show I have many seeds and my plants are with many branches and all the fruits all good! Like my Father's house has many rooms, my garden has many wondrous plants. Love and care for all in my name". I felt His love for all the garden and all the gardeners like all reading this. I love you all and wish you a Merry Christmas....Jan-Michael <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Sadly theJan-Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14813149854030293572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-22050317215221436512011-12-23T09:02:14.763-08:002011-12-23T09:02:14.763-08:00From what I've seen and heard, Sheila and Gret...From what I've seen and heard, Sheila and Gretchen are sin-sick souls, committed to a theology and a worship style that infantilizes people, and pulls the wool over their eyes, rather than strengthening them so they can "carry their cross daily". They are too full of themselves for the Holy Spirit to enter into them, despite all their talk to the contrary of "anointing" and so on. They are People of the Lie and wolves in sheep's clothing. I hope they will repent and be saved, but I don't expect it - the last person to repent is the one who thinks they are ALREADY saved. I might be wrong, but I feel a real sense of conviction about what I have just written. May God have mercy on all our souls. Just to give an example, a video I saw recently had RHS sitting on the stage while Sheila bleated about "Doesn't everyone feel indebted to this man? I know how much I owe to this man. He has given us all so much." And so on. This is a truly Satanic diversion of the attention and a reversal of the real situation. The fact is that the business operation set up by RHS, and run by his successors, has taken goods and services from people, promising to pay them, and then not done so. This is theft. At least one family, the people who supplied the pageant animals, has lost their home as a result. The Schullers should be ashamed.Freddy el Desfibradddorhttp://www.fafblog.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-53579267511233846482011-12-20T07:56:41.378-08:002011-12-20T07:56:41.378-08:00So now Robert H Schuller and family and Non-Catho...So now Robert H Schuller and family and Non-Catholics will not be welcome at Holy Communion at Crystal Cathedral! And Only Catholics can now be buried on grounds! Roman Catholic Diocese offers to assist moving remains buried previously to off the premises if families need help. This just is so unchristian.... I guess the new CCM team needed to not sell to another Non-Catholic group so they could keep their tiny congregation of less than 500, even at a lower price (Chapman University would have kept Building for ALL to worship in and offered $2 million more. No wonder even bankruptsy judge was confused.Jan-Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14813149854030293572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-37496643380189058472011-12-09T23:35:58.318-08:002011-12-09T23:35:58.318-08:00housesearch, I ask me what your comments have to d...housesearch, I ask me what your comments have to do with the CC tragedy!!! For me it seems you only want to promote your business! - Blessings Swiss RoseSwiss Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715278699185822467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-19528671651540712902011-12-04T15:58:46.520-08:002011-12-04T15:58:46.520-08:00As with Emilie and Father Joe, I found Crystal Cat...As with Emilie and Father Joe, I found Crystal Cathedral welcoming to all and a true "gift" when I was suddenly incapacitated by Multiple Sclerosis at age 50(April 1,2000), leaving me speechless literally but temporarily, then with low vision. But...<br /><br />though I have MS, it does not have me, thanks in great measure to the positive spirit of The Schuller family and congregation of Crystal Cathedral. The sermons music and openness to all God's people; so inspirational and a true Blessing for me! <br /><br />Surprisingly, in 2008 an opportunity was offered from a distant relative to rent a home for a month in Palm Desert, far from our home in Toronto, Canada but relatively close to Crystal Cathedral! Another true Blessing! <br /><br />The focus of our 4 weeks in California became to finally attend Crystal Cathedral, Rancho Capistrano and circle around Salton Sea back to Palm Desert. <br /><br />The Sunday service we attended turned out to be the last sermon Rev Robert A. would deliver there. Though Robert H. read a scripture passage, Robert A. gave a wonderful sermon and Donna spoke inspiring words at the close, we had no idea it was the last time Robert A and Donna would be there.<br /><br />I feel Blessed to have been there that Sunday, to have taken the Walk of Faith, marveling at the statues and scripture paving stones. And in spite of the hard to fathom changes, I will never forget the Love of the guides, shop-keepers and attendants at at Crystal Cathedral.<br /><br />I too am hopeful a tribute will be placed at the Catholic Cathedral, recognizing the Schuller Family! I do regret that many non-Catholics will be unable to receive Holy Commumion at the Cathedral without special permission. Similarly the talk of having to move remains of loved ones at "rest" on the grounds hopefully will be resolved together, as Brothers and Sisters in Christ.<br /><br />Certainly, any hope of continuing a congregation and keeping a Crystal Cathedral as a Church somewhere, requires a non-Protestant congregation to acquire the property. Otherwise the current CCM congregation would stay at their "home" building, at Crystal Cathedral.<br /><br />However, the Roman Catholic Diocese will ensure the grounds are, in perpetuity, held as a place of God. Best wishes to everyone! <br /><br />He is Blessing all, always<br />Jan-MichaelJan-Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14813149854030293572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-70995312949180916592011-12-02T18:10:03.810-08:002011-12-02T18:10:03.810-08:00Dear Donna,
I know the news about the Crystal Cat...Dear Donna,<br /><br />I know the news about the Crystal Cathedral must be difficult. Going back to his preaching in a drive-in movie park, I have watched and enjoyed Dr. Schuller's messages. I prize a couple of books that he signed for me a number of years ago. On my shelf there is a gift mirror/glass given out as a token when he was first building his wonderful church. Unlike so many other evangelists, his message was positive, hopeful and receptive to believers in other denominations. He was clear about his own faith, but recognized kindred souls, including Catholics as brothers and sisters in Christ. I was moved by the statue of Archbishop Fulton Sheen that he placed in the cathedral and his story about the time that he was invited to preach to his community. One could clearly sense that there was great admiration between these two Christian leaders. This is all by way of saying that while the ministry will change, the cathedral will remain a house of worship. Many of the Catholics who will come there may have been inspired and comforted by the Hour of Power messages. God's grace is sometimes very mysterious. As a boy I was very sickly and had serious respiratory problems, sometimes coughing up blood. Dr. Schuller's messages helped sustained me when I was too ill to go out. Eventually I went to seminary and watched him with other men in school. I have been a Catholic priest now for 25 years. Dr. Schuller's witness was an important element of my own faith calling. I hope that there will be a lasting tribute to Dr. Schuller in the cathedral after the transition. The great church will still reach out to many who are indebted to him and to his messages. I recall that when it was built there was some controversy about an altar. Dr. Schuller insisted that it be immoveable as a testimony to his faith. God bless him and you and his dear family. I will also keep very much in my prayers those who have called the Crystal Cathedral their faith home. Know that you are all in the heart and mind of this priest and so many other Catholics. The Catholic community will be gifted, not only with a wonderful house of prayer but by extension, our histories, struggles and love for the Gospel will be forever entwined.<br /><br />God bless!<br />Father Joe Jenkins<br />frjoe2000@yahoo.comFather Joehttp://bloggerpriest.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-85386994369815400372011-12-02T10:22:33.371-08:002011-12-02T10:22:33.371-08:00I just posted this to the Orange County Register o...I just posted this to the Orange County Register online. I hope you will accept this with the spirit in which it was written<br />-----------Me, quoting myself:<br />When I was so deaf that I could not understand or participate in the service or sermon in my local brick and mortar church, I still could enjoy the Crystal Cathedral service on TV, because it was closed captioned. I am one of the "stupid" people who got a lot of comfort and theological guidance from Robert H., and watched as Robert A. grew into his role. I'm sorry that R.H. apparently overstepped himself financially, and was concerned about the ever increasing cost of construction on the C.C. campus, designed by "starchitects." I notice the strongest growth of the organization came when the Board was populated with business people, not family. Still, I am grateful that when I had no other place to "attend" services, I had the Crystal Cathedral. It was a comfort to me for over 20 years and I still miss it. The music was wonderful. I appreciated many of the interviews (and still read them online occasionally). The sermons were comforting and uplifting during several difficult times in my life. I was always willing to financially support the counselors who worked at the crisis phone lines in the Tower of Hope and thankful that I never needed to call there. The organization that is the CC has ended badly, led astray by may factors. It was not any one thing. Just because the CC failed to be self-sustaining in the end, however, is no reason to overlook all the good things the Schullers created over the years. I benefited greatly and I know I'm not alone.<br />-------------<br />I am now a bilateral cochlear implant user (aka bionic ears) and can participate in brick and mortar services very well. Nevertheless, the CC on TV was the church I could attend best for about 20 years. I am grateful it was there; I appreciate the guidance offered by RHS when he was presiding; I miss the opportunity to watch RAS continue to grow in his ministry.<br /><br />I am very sad at the mudslinging that is going around and wanted to counter at least a little of that.Emilie in Minneapolisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-38170445411604187262011-11-29T14:17:07.106-08:002011-11-29T14:17:07.106-08:00Hello All,
I have been in Korea taking part in a G...Hello All,<br />I have been in Korea taking part in a Global Peace Conference with people from 35 plus nations. Robert, our son Anthony, and I left the morning after Thanksgiving. <br />I am just now able to read my emails and these comments which were made since my departure. <br />I thank you for your continued words of encouragement and support. We all must keep in mind that through all of this God is still in charge and he knows what he is doing.<br />God is blessing you, DonnaSchullerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17492785568194446403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-61846934940364232262011-11-26T20:02:04.906-08:002011-11-26T20:02:04.906-08:00Hi Donna - I served on the Management Team with Ro...Hi Donna - I served on the Management Team with Robert from 2006-2001 as the Senior Controller for the Ministry. In fact, it was only after a positive phone call with Robert in 1996 that I decided that it was God's will for my family and I to move 3,000 miles from Pennsylvania to SoCal to take the position. It is so hard to believe what has transpired these past 9 years after working side-by-side with Robert, Jim Penner, Jim Coleman, Dr. and Mrs. Schuller as well as Fred, Larry and Pastor Glenn. Please give Robert my regards and let him know that I will never forget those 5 years, even as the ministry comes to an abrupt end.JeffShawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04024710880286877927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-56084081827417615792011-11-25T09:15:42.021-08:002011-11-25T09:15:42.021-08:00Mitch Album "Have a Little Faith" movie ...Mitch Album "Have a Little Faith" movie Sunday Nov 27 trailer copy and paste.<br /><br />http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=F1CC1FNU&utm_source=GodTube%20Movies&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=11/25/2011Jan-Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14813149854030293572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-22385758710171178142011-11-23T08:35:57.336-08:002011-11-23T08:35:57.336-08:00Recently, at the Catholic church my wife and I att...Recently, at the Catholic church my wife and I attend, as part of a memorial for a deceased member, the text of the following prayer was distributed to us. The author is the 20th century monk and author Thomas Merton.<br /><br /><br />MY LORD GOD, I have no idea where I am going.<br />I do not see the road ahead of me.<br />I cannot know for certain where it will end.<br />Nor do I really know myself, and the fact that I think that I am following your will does not mean that I am actually doing so.<br />But I believe that the desire to please You does in fact please You.<br />And I hope I have that desire in all that I am doing.<br />I hope that I will never do anything apart from that desire.<br />And I know that if I do this You will lead me by the right road though I may know nothing about it.<br />Therefore will I trust You always though I may seem to be lost and in the shadow of death.<br />I will not fear, for You are ever with me, and You will never leave me to face my perils alone.<br />- Thomas Merton, “Thoughts in Solitude”<br /><br /><br />I wish a Happy Thanksgiving and a blessed holiday season to all.mistah charley, ph.d.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06303695341246058680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-14297675581557986692011-11-22T18:20:51.408-08:002011-11-22T18:20:51.408-08:00Happy Thanksgiving to you and the entire Schuller ...Happy Thanksgiving to you and the entire Schuller family. Robert is truly one of this generation's most anointed pastors. When I was struggling I listened him him - and he often talked about the vitality of Christ - and that REALLY HELPED ME A LOT! <br /><br />God truly does hold you all in His hands, and may He lift you all up. I am sure God has tremendous plans for Robert and your entire family.<br /><br />Happy Thanksgiving to each of you - and God Bless. Robert A., you have the most class of anyone in your entire family - thanks for always staying faithful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-83179084302210089612011-11-22T18:06:49.920-08:002011-11-22T18:06:49.920-08:00Thank you everyone for writing some truly heart-fe...Thank you everyone for writing some truly heart-felt and heart-wrenching comments. <br />To all of my friends in the USA, I wish you a very Happy Thanksgiving. <br />God is blessing you always. DonnaSchullerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17492785568194446403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-1791259118085793782011-11-22T14:29:01.285-08:002011-11-22T14:29:01.285-08:00Happy Thanksgiving Day to all celebrating in USA!
...Happy Thanksgiving Day to all celebrating in USA!<br /><br />http://www.jacquielawson.com/preview.asp?cont=1&hdn=0&mpv=3270942&path=83562<br /><br />Dance! Dance! Wherever you may be….<br />Thank the Lord who has truly Blessed thee!Jan-Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14813149854030293572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-4431576825048973662011-11-22T00:09:37.945-08:002011-11-22T00:09:37.945-08:00Family Schuller, diged their own grave!!! – Only e...Family Schuller, diged their own grave!!! – Only exception I see is evt. (I do not know, Arvella), Bobby, Angie, Anthony, Christina, Donna as wife from you dear Robert A. and yourself, RA. All others, sorry saying me this, all others are guilty and are real sinners! I tell it all because nobody is free of sins. I’m not an exception, not at all!!! – Blessings Rose<br />The same I have written in Angie's blog.Swiss Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01715278699185822467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-85787786437825340222011-11-21T20:07:06.032-08:002011-11-21T20:07:06.032-08:00Thank you for posting Donna, particularly in these...Thank you for posting Donna, particularly in these difficult times. I expect the CCM final resolution is not entirely complete, but I do pray there is an opportunity now/soon for healing in the community and particularly in the Schuller family! It has been a long hard road and a dark tunnel at times but I see a light at the end for you all as I am hopeful you see a "light" too even if the road lit, is not the one you would have taken 3 years back. Your blogs still inspire as does Robert's and your Christian efforts around the world; at Peace Conferences and on Robert's TV/Radio/and new YouToo sites.<br /><br />I was really hoping Chapman Christian College would acquire the CCM property and Cathedral which would have ensured the most positive future and inspiration to students and the community so I felt.<br /><br />I hope to sense a good resolution to the concerns for the congregants and those of us who still admire the "Walk of Faith" at CCM and CCM's open welcome to all at least in the times of RHS and Arvella and RAS and you Donna.<br /><br />He is Blessing all always<br />Jan-Michael<br />†Jan-Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14813149854030293572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-60851669358198185632011-11-20T22:35:47.960-08:002011-11-20T22:35:47.960-08:00Donna,
Thank you for sharing this information as I...Donna,<br />Thank you for sharing this information as I really needed to know. For over 30 years I would drive to CC from San diego every 5 or 6 weeks. I would walk on campus feeling the anticipation of the morning and feeling God's spirit with the many smiles of the people. The music and the positive Christian message I could hardly contain myself. Several years after Robert A. was removed from his ordained calling from God, I decided to visit CC again. My heart broke literally on campus while at this church. Few times later the choir was absent later a beautiful organ dedicated to the highest form of praise was empty..quiet! The preaching became something similiar to when I was a little boy in Iowa at my small Baptist church. The music which was first class was turned into just ordinary. This became a very sad experience coming back to this church. I prayed so much for Robert A's return as the pastor of CC where God had called him. This is where God wanted him!! I believe the ministry of CC is finished or will be in a few years. Donna you mentioned your remnants the part of a whole. The scraps which will be used in the future. I had been thinking of this as dust to dust. Literally death! Well, now I have a more Biblical insight which is positive. We are not dust yet but a living remnant with new experience with God at the "helm".<br />You and Pastor Robert are in my prayers. Thank you for that part of your remnant which you have both passed on to me.<br />God's richest blessings.art benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02934941795831786113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-16576500843297993912011-11-20T17:25:07.181-08:002011-11-20T17:25:07.181-08:00Donna,
I wrote to you and Robert on Facebook from...Donna,<br /><br />I wrote to you and Robert on Facebook from Japan about a week ago. Thank you very much for sharing this post and your rewrite of the paragraph.<br /><br />It helps me so much in understanding the profound sense of sadness which I have been experiencing, about a church I knew little about (Crystal Cathedral) and people I do not know (Schullers, and more specifically Robert A). Also helpful in understanding was to watch your husbands sermon on pain at your son's new church. I hope some Sunday when I return to OC, to attend. <br /><br />It is my prayer that God bless you and continue to help and guide you through this experience.<br /><br />God Bless,<br />RobRobhttp://www.apartjapan.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-33994071813164607362011-11-20T16:48:50.089-08:002011-11-20T16:48:50.089-08:00Donna,
We all love you and Robert A. and your kid...Donna, <br />We all love you and Robert A. and your kids. You have been the greatest blessing to so many people. Just remember what Joseph told his brothers so many years ago. "You meant evil against me but God meant it for good." Our Lord works all things together for good for those who love him, and we who know you, know that you surely do love him. Something wonderful will come from this as God gives beauty for ashes and the oil of joy for mourning to those who have been faithful. He will restore all that has been taken from you and then some. Until then, wait on the Lord and keep praising him for what he has done and what he will do.<br />Love in Christ,<br />An OC friendAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-15995487492322758352011-11-20T07:58:22.195-08:002011-11-20T07:58:22.195-08:00Dear Donna,
Thank you for clarifying what really h...Dear Donna,<br />Thank you for clarifying what really happened at the CC at the time that you and Robert left. It saddens me to know that family members were involved in the changes that were made. You and Robert have shown great strength during this difficult time. God will continue to bless both of you in your ministry.<br />LizElizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16270714373662167766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-52509975787270679212011-11-20T06:18:18.598-08:002011-11-20T06:18:18.598-08:00As my church may go through something almost exact...As my church may go through something almost exactly like what has been described above, but on a micro level, I fear for our ministry, and mine as well. Thanks for posting the rest of the story.Batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01367869692794353013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-7876311942753891462011-11-20T04:24:26.595-08:002011-11-20T04:24:26.595-08:00Donna, thanks for clarification on this matter. ...Donna, thanks for clarification on this matter. Your husband Robert was treated so horribly by this church, it defies comprehension that these were family members. I love the way the two of you have always handled any trials that came your way. Robert is a wonderful man of God and will continue to bless the Christian community...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-38263174831045229812011-11-19T18:52:48.501-08:002011-11-19T18:52:48.501-08:00That assessment from Richard Flory, director of re...That assessment from Richard Flory, director of research at University of Southern California's Center for Religion and Civic Culture, seems bluntly accurate :<br /><br />"They're no different than any other business. They have to market themselves, and they have a particular branding and they've put all their eggs in that basket ..." <br /><br />I wonder what Jesus would say ?<br /><br />Would the man who threw money changers out of the temple understand why a church in his name needed a Board of Directors or a "local consistory board" (whatever that is) ?<br /><br />Would a man scourged and crucified two millennia ago recognize that "branding" has a new meaning ? Would he consider it any less painful than the old one ?<br /><br />What <b>would</b> the man who embraced the poor and the sick have to say about the bankruptcy of a business empire that profited from his name ? Especially now, at a time when so many small businesses are failing and families are losing their homes ?<br /><br />It seems pretty clear from what the Bible says about him that only when cathedrals and TV ministries using his name <b>donate every cent of their vast takings to improving the conditions of this world</b> will they be <b>truly</b> spreading the message of Jesus Christ.A Disciplenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-88620271893706591682011-11-19T17:31:16.615-08:002011-11-19T17:31:16.615-08:00Robert H. and Robert A literally brought me up fro...Robert H. and Robert A literally brought me up from the dead. Such losses I had suffered through left me mentally crippled. After losing many licenses, assets, nearly my life through a heart attack, and a year in prison, I feared going either one way or the other. Then, one Sunday I, with my heart aching, heard Robert A. speaking to me through the TV. His kind words pulled me up, brought me back to life, gave me days with no angina pain, led me to a better understanding that I could be redeemed through Christ. You see, Robert H. that Sunday interviewed a man who had fallen off his boat traveling past Catalina Island. After fighting cold currents, nature, sea lions and fatigue, this man was saved by a watchful brother. I analogized that I, too, had fallen off my "boat", was suffering from the cold, the ill currents of life, the fatigue of failure. Then came Robert A.'s sermon preaching the love of Christ. After some time coming to Crystal Cathedral I became an Elder. My wife, who for reasons fully understandable had rejected organized religion, was most difficult to bring around, to come with me. But, finally she did. I felt as though we two were united in a Christ-like relationship after 35 years of marriage. It was really, really good. Then Robert A. disappeared from our life and the life of millions. How could this be? How could this happen? Donna, your explanation is helpful but I am not sure it is complete. Will the full story ever unfold? I wish Christ's blessings upon you and Robert and your children and hope that the future will again call Robert A. back to the pulpit. Many of us see him as the brother who saved his drowning sibling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3558023412158904930.post-36139295879069136802011-11-19T16:02:35.968-08:002011-11-19T16:02:35.968-08:00Donna, my wife and I are very saddened at what we ...Donna, my wife and I are very saddened at what we perceive as the implosion of what was once a successful ministry due to strife, division, pride and perhaps even jealousy (James 3:16). I believe with all my heart that Robert A. was and is called, anointed and appointed to pastor the Crystal Cathedral, and when he wanted to make several excellent changes to increase accountability and transparency he was ousted by Board/ Family Members that did not want to remain accountable to anyone. What the Penners’ and the Colemans’ don’t yet understand is that it is God who anoints and appoints who is to be the pastor of a Church, not man (Eph. 4:11-12), and when they ousted Robert A. they went against what God had decreed. In all due respect, Sheila Schuller Coleman is clearly trying to fulfill a position that she is not called to, and for 3 ½ years they have been trying to fit a square peg in a round hole & wonder why it is not working. 1 Peter 5:5 says that God resists the proud & gives grace to the humble, and it’s time for the Penner’s and the Coleman’s to humble themselves before God & make things right with you, Robert & your family, and step down from their respective positions. And Donna, your and Robert A.’s stance of walking in love and forgiveness in the midst of this is very admirable— thank you both for being such a blessing to the Body of Christ!Davenoreply@blogger.com